jaeyson

jaeyson

Do we have "ELI5" for Elixir here?

Not trying to add more mess here but, reddit has ELI5 but i wanted to know if it’s okay to ask Elixir-specific (or outside of it) in a similar style of questions? i.e. I’ve heard backpressure (i’ve just read that term via Elixir-lang blog Announcing GenStage) and how/why does one (ie. Elixir) approach this? I’ve read it but i cant wrap it in my head (newbie).

Most Liked

mafinar

mafinar

Now, to answer your question on back-pressure. Let me draw an analogy from an experience I actually had during our covid 19 vaccination.

So my wife and I went to get vaccinated at a centre. We parked the car and saw a queue being formed right outside, of people waiting to get vaccinated. That queue reached from the parking place up to this tent-like structure.

Some volunteers came, and asked for proof of location, health card information etc and input those information into their iPads. And while that was happening, another volunteer at the front of our queue (and as we will find out soon, at the back of another) asked for 10 people to get in. When our turn came, we went inside and faced a similar, “controlled” and on-demand queueing system, we get called in groups, we enter in groups, and get serviced, and exit the premise. While this felt like a lot of rules to be implemented, it did end up feeling “effective”. The doctors who were giving vaccines did not have a crowded hall, and that hall had low number of people, manageable and quickly emptiable. On the other hand, you never really waited too long at any of those buffers.

Now, think about the nature of this group act, from the “provider’s” (i.e. volunteers’ or doctors’) perspective, they are obviously fewer in numbers than us, and they can only take so many at a time, by giving them the calling capability, the capacity is being managed. The traffic (i.e. we who are waiting to get vaccinated) are parked and get serviced only when the persons responsible to process are capable of doing so, and it is not something we see (i.e. when the person before me finishes I can “just go”) but that process is hidden from us. and we get called in batches, and that batch number often has a connection with the provider numbers (if there are 4 doctors maybe a batch of 2*4 or 3*4?).

This description is based on my experience and may not have any resemblance at all with the actual process or statistics behind it but let’s convert this whole “pipeline” into a programming one. You have a steady stream of data, and there are dedicated functions (let’s stick to functions now, simpler ones, and let’s not get to multithreading), that transform them, and output of one function is the input of others, until you get the satisfactory computation.

If these functions have limited processing power, and data just keeps coming in, why not have the data parked, and only process a handful at a time? So, welcome the data, but take only what your capable of. This phenomenon, this artificial buffer of data waiting to be processed- is back-pressure. If you think of it as a FIFO (First In First Out) queue, and the entrance is considered as “back”, then the pressure built up from incoming requests, would be back-pressure.

I am not so good with ELI5s and this was an attempt. Apologies if I failed at it.

mafinar

mafinar

Hello and welcome to DevTalk. I am not a moderator here but as someone who’s been active since this forum began, asking questions or opening posts is not considered a mess here but are welcome. And this is a place I interacted with some of the friendliest programmers I have met. So you are welcome to ask questions. Although ElixirForum is equally friendly.

AstonJ

AstonJ

This is a great idea @jaeyson!

We were going to start a ‘Glossary’ section on the Elixir Forum where a thread would be posted about something, and then people could explain it in their own words. If you’re a member you can see the thread here: https://elixirforum.com/t/do-you-think-we-need-a-glossary-section/12988

I think we could do such a version here (general dev), then another on the new Erlang Forums for BEAM related stuff - what does everyone think?

Great post btw Mafinar!

Where Next?

Popular General Dev topics Top

dasdom
No chair. I have a standing desk. This post was split into a dedicated thread from our thread about chairs :slight_smile:
New
chasekaylee
Hi there! I have some old Bose in ear noise cancelling headphones that have worked like a champ for the past 3 years and was maybe due fo...
New
New
Rainer
Not sure if following fits exactly this thread, or if we should have a hobby thread… For many years I’m designing and building model air...
New
jamiedumont
This is all going to be a bit hand-wavey and straight off the top of my head, so bear with me, but it’s a thought/debate that’s been ratt...
New
Exadra37
A modern streaming platform for mission critical workloads Redpanda is a Kafka® compatible event streaming platform. No Zookeeper®, no JV...
New
AstonJ
Do we have any digital nomads here? Anyone fancy it? If so, which countries would you consider? I’ve been toying with the idea for a wh...
New
malloryerik
With 100% less blockchain. I went searching for a lightweight immutable database that could be audited and ran into this. I guess this ...
New
DevotionGeo
I am planning to refresh my Ruby knowledge in a month or two, after using other technologies more frequently for a few years. Luckily I w...
New
AntonRich
I don’t know what happened today. But I just started reading SICP which I meant to do for a long time. The book itself: I’m not even s...
New

Other popular topics Top

Devtalk
Reading something? Working on something? Planning something? Changing jobs even!? If you’re up for sharing, please let us know what you’...
1062 22827 403
New
PragmaticBookshelf
Brace yourself for a fun challenge: build a photorealistic 3D renderer from scratch! In just a couple of weeks, build a ray tracer that r...
New
brentjanderson
Bought the Moonlander mechanical keyboard. Cherry Brown MX switches. Arms and wrists have been hurting enough that it’s time I did someth...
New
AstonJ
Curious to know which languages and frameworks you’re all thinking about learning next :upside_down_face: Perhaps if there’s enough peop...
New
New
AstonJ
Do the test and post your score :nerd_face: :keyboard: If possible, please add info such as the keyboard you’re using, the layout (Qw...
New
PragmaticBookshelf
Create efficient, elegant software tests in pytest, Python's most powerful testing framework. Brian Okken @brianokken Edited by Kat...
New
husaindevelop
Inside our android webview app, we are trying to paste the copied content from another app eg (notes) using navigator.clipboard.readtext ...
New
First poster: AstonJ
Jan | Rethink the Computer. Jan turns your computer into an AI machine by running LLMs locally on your computer. It’s a privacy-focus, l...
New
AstonJ
This is cool! DEEPSEEK-V3 ON M4 MAC: BLAZING FAST INFERENCE ON APPLE SILICON We just witnessed something incredible: the largest open-s...
New